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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Oct 31, 2008 8:46pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
http://www.archive.org/details/statistischemon01zentgoog
According to the first page (a Google notice) there are some restrictions on the scan:
1. It can't be used for commercial purposes. OK, Internet Archive is non-profit. It must be for personal use. No problem, matches IA's policy.
2. No searching ie. Internet Archive can't do full-text searching of the text via a search engine. Not a problem now since IA doesn't do full-text searching anyway, but could be an issue in the future I suppose.
3. Maintain attribution (watermarks). I don't see the "Digitized by Google" watermarks. Why? Become someone cropped them off. This is easy to see by looking at the original source scan on Google, and the uploaded version on IA - its been cropped to remove the Google watermark.
Well, maybe tpb is working under the radar and hoping no one notices or cares but it seems odd to remove the watermark, but keep attribution in the metadata and opening page, *shrug*. Now if tpb can figure out a way to remove all those "Digitized by Microsoft" watermarks, since Live Search Books is now defunct, that would be great :)
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Poster: | donuil | Date: | Nov 1, 2008 11:21am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
I hope it is all... well... okay. But it seems to be at least semi-official, as there now is a collection homepage for Google Books: http://www.archive.org/details/googlebooks
I mean, Google would hardly miss someone pulling 500,000 of their public domain books. And they must have had vast processing power and storage space to convert them all to .djvu as well. Perhaps Google agreed to it?
I hadn't noticed that about the watermarks though.
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Nov 2, 2008 3:12pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
This post was modified by stbalbach on 2008-11-02 23:12:32
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Nov 2, 2008 3:26pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
This post was modified by stbalbach on 2008-11-02 23:26:49
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Poster: | donuil | Date: | Nov 3, 2008 12:19am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Seems to be all the Bodleian/Oxford University books from Google.
Re: the download numbers. I have never trusted the download numbers (that is, well before Google was added to IA); some seem completely absurd, and I had always just assumed it was the result of some sort of automation like crawling, mirroring, or whatever.
Thank you, by the way, for pointing out the metadata within the HTTP folder. I am in and out of those folders all the time and never noticed the full metadata was there!
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Poster: | donuil | Date: | Nov 3, 2008 12:28am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Nov 3, 2008 6:02am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Re: download counts, yeah who knows, guess we'll need an insiders view to explain it.
Your welcome on the metadata, I just found it on a whim thinking it must be around somewhere since the main work page says "select" metadata, the rest had to be somewhere. I kinda wish they'd open it up to the community ala Wikipedia or LibraryThing, to correct errors and add info.
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Poster: | garthus | Date: | Nov 1, 2008 4:32pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
As far as the full text search engine part. This would be illegal on Google's part since no one can copyright or restrict the text part of a public domain item. since the text part purely represents the content of the work it can never be placed in a restrictive context The image part can, but unfortunately an image of the same book can be scanned by several people and this would be hard to prove if the encryption and/or watermarks were removed. In any case their OCR is almost useless for a research database and I have been able to take their images and generate much better OCR from them that they have posted.
I have actually rescanned some of Google's books due to the poor quality of some of their scans, or sometimes rescanned part of their books. They would have a hard time enforcing any copyright rules in those cases.
As far as the Microsoft stuff, we can and should remove their watermarks, since once again this is after all public domain stuff. Some of the more egregious violators of Public Domain are the academic database providers. Eventually it would be nice and justified to tie them up in court for reverse copyright violations.
This is why I will be placing all of my academic materials up on Internet Archive as Public Domain 'copylefted' materials. Once the Internet Archive is large enough some of us can start taking legal action against these same database providers for placing our public domain materials in their restrictive databases.
The founding fathers of the United States would turn-over in their graves is the actually saw what the political scum in this country have done to the copyright laws. Protection was never meant to be for all eternity or for some parasitic mega-corporate mass-media corporations.
Gerry
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Poster: | Jim Carlile | Date: | Nov 1, 2008 11:44pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Actually-- from what I can find-- Google has no legal responsibility to provide downloads of the PD scans-- all they have to do is make them viewable under the library agreements-- just display. So, downloading is discretionary on their part right now, and who thinks it's gonna last? especially when they find that most of their 1922-1964 OOP books are also PD as well!
The new Settlement also requires them to very quickly identify all their PD scans-- all of them-- but they haven't so far.
BTW, Did Google strip all the color informations off their PD scans, or is that just my imagination? They seem smaller and all B/W.
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Poster: | garthus | Date: | Nov 2, 2008 4:56am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Copylefted stuff created today is also very important, since in academia, much of what is written has some degree of plagiarism, once these materials are copylefted, the copyrighted materials being held by the publishing house will have been contaminated by the copylefeted stuff and they will be hoisted upon their own petard. It is only a matter of time before the so-called intellectual property rights arena will be obfuscated with these convoluted and unfair copyright statutes. The technologies are advancing much faster than the political scum and corporate greedsters realize.
Gerry
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Poster: | chockroberty | Date: | Dec 18, 2014 11:21am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
I have some manuals I bought or came with some of my old radios that I plan to scan and make available to people for free. I already uploaded my scan for the Swan 270 ham radio transceiver and another radio.
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Poster: | Jim Carlile | Date: | Nov 2, 2008 2:43pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
BTW, It's really obvious that google will soon be getting out of the free PD download business. That would explain why they are not complaining about tons of scans being placed into the Archive-- they'd love to have someone else take on this task. So there will still be a big role of the IA.
Google's rationale to themselves may even be that they don't want to compete with them when it comes to PD works!
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Poster: | tammytroot | Date: | Nov 2, 2008 6:00pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | m.r.b. | Date: | Nov 9, 2008 12:43am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
I downloaded all three of the Google copies of Poetics. Only one of them was without errors and even there the quality was marginal. It seems like the only reason to choose a Google scan over another version for a smaller file size. The quality is awful. I cannot imagine how they think people are going to pay them for copies of out-of-print works if these scans are representative of the quality.
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Poster: | beautysmom | Date: | Nov 16, 2008 11:16pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | DE2164 | Date: | Nov 24, 2008 11:05am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Fortunately the descriptions have the fact they are Google scans and you can avoid them. Though if you have the thumbnails turned on you can see that the book is of very low quality too.
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Poster: | Time Traveller | Date: | Nov 24, 2008 9:35pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Anyway, thanks to you and others for the headzup on Google scans.
Peter in NZ
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Nov 25, 2008 6:26am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | DE2164 | Date: | Nov 25, 2008 9:46pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
Yes, the files that Google have made in the last 8 months are much better. Still 50% batter quality is well below the quality expected from IA.
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Poster: | lotusgreen~ | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 9:20am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 3:08pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | lotusgreen~ | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 8:27pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
http://books.google.com/books?id=4WEMAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22a+friend+or+two%22&ei=yrpuSYTkMo3WlQTTsJGCCw&client=firefox-a#PPP6,M1
and here is tpb's version:
http://www.archive.org/stream/afriendortwo01nesbgoog
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 9:13pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
This post was modified by stbalbach on 2009-01-15 05:13:18
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Poster: | lotusgreen~ | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 9:19pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
but one question, if i may: is there a way to see the color version here before downloading the pdf?
i followed your instructions, but it downloaded the pdf; is there a way to see it?
and i wonder if there's a way to suggest to somebody that it would be great if these had color flipbooks....
thank you!
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 9:26pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | lotusgreen~ | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 9:48pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
should i report it? (to whom???) or are you going to? (forgive me but i don't know if you work here or what....)
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Poster: | lotusgreen~ | Date: | Jan 14, 2009 10:01pm |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |
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Poster: | stbalbach | Date: | Jan 15, 2009 5:46am |
Forum: | texts | Subject: | Re: Book digitized by Google and uploaded to the Internet Archive by user tpb |